Congrats for having the balls to do this CCP.

I really hope this gives people a chance in nullsec and mixes things up without having a massive 'cap fleet' boot of the big boys.

Really excited about the future of nullsec!

Anybody who lives far from NPC space is basically untouchable now. We can hole up in Branch and nobody could touch us.

And for those who are uninformed, the reason that the null sec groups are 'crying' is because they understand null sec. I know it's hard to understand when you live in high sec, but using jump bridges and capitals are daily living up here. Hell, I traveled 30 LY just today via jump bridge, and that was just to pick up a single module. Without this, we're back to the days of daily freighter runs, which are boring as hell.

And if you want a fight? Good ******* luck. And eve without fights is a dead eve.

Finally! Great things on horizont for smaller groups.

- We are finally gonna have our nice little local brawls without fearing of 99% of New Eden

Learn to live form the space. Recruit Indy corps. Don't moan about the logistics.
Your not supposed to wage war from your home to another region if its not adjecant. Deploy than attack.

Simple.

We in lowsec didn't blue half of EVE and made a deal with the other half. We got plenty to fight with.

So the smaller fish will only have to deal with 500 caps rather than the entire supercap + capfleet. Sounds more manageable to me.

What can I say? This is a stupid idea on it's face. Null is stagnant so lets just see what we can do to make it even more stagnant and while we are at it lets just F$&K BLOPS all to H#ll.

Well done, CCP. I was wondering if I should keep three active accounts and you have just answerd that question.

WAIT! This is a ploy to get people to keep multiple accounts so they can avoid these penalties, isn't it?

Whatever... Closing two accounts. Will keep one for a while.

HERO

Dunno. But remember that if they do field their 500 man fleet they will be more vulnerable at the other end of their (renter) empire.

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Try us. I was out in null before most of the players whining here joined eve online. Hell I flew an iteron 5 out to the drone regions. So yeah dont underestimate the player base who dont have capitals. We will find a way.

Where are these "epic" camps? Please forward intel to me in game. :)

edit: What the christ even posting has a timer limit now?

To be fair I still think 14 hours is a hell of a long time to need to wait to take your cap round space. Numbers might need a touch of work.

It may be a fantasy but they can't be everywhere. They are everywhere now because of how jumps mechanics are now, is it really going to be worse?

That's why CCP doing this, going back to EVE that should be not some afk game for lazy kids but true fun game where a lot is happening.

The amount of cry here only shows in how bad condition was EVE


Congrats CCP, that's the best and biggest change in last years !!!

Page 131.

This is what happens when CCP let's the cleaning lady make game design decisions.

No reason for anyone to unsub at the moment, lets see how ccp react to this topic, more than a month before this goes live leaves a lot of time for tweaks and changes, those jumping ship because of a dev blog which has specifically been put out here to gauge reactions and gain feedback both negative and positive really do need to go play wow instead.

IF these changes go live as is then yes I can see the game changing in a lot of ways only six months down the road will we see how those changes actually effect and how different groups adapt.

Give feedback, thoughts and criticism plus ideas then take a breath and lets see what november brings, always time to push the cancel button then.

looking at the amount of goons who are going to desub off the back of this, seems there won't be many of them left soon.....VFK by Christmas anyone?

Seriously though, while I can understand people's frustrations, at the same time I can't see why the majority can't see this as a good change. This is going to promote LOCAL area content for everyone. No more flying around the map fighting nameless alliances because a mate of a mate of the half brother of the FC asked for help. Placement of caps will now be key to home defence and invasion plans, people will actually have to start this thinking medium/long term instead of "it'll be fine, support fleet can be here in 10 mins'.

Also this should help with that thing I always hear null bears moaning about, TIDI....if half the map can't get there in 10 mins, you may have to start doing more than pressing f1 and watching your guns cycle once every 10 minutes. You could actually start like, playing the game like the rest of us

So in conclusion, while logistics will be slightly affected ( start making it locally instead of relaying on jita!) the fact that the carrier blob is going to be limited to an alliances local area ( unless preplanned to be moved) is nothing but a good thing. I'm sure this will promote lots of smaller wars and hopefully start to get sov shaken up a bit.

Subcaps can.

You blue whatever block that holds the slice of null going to empire.

Dude you exhale bias... Only SC are a prob? cause the other blob has more?

Well the subcap blobs will exist, but then again wont be very fun to maintain them. Plus wont be able to be there for every timer and his grandmother on the other side of the galaxy.

That'll be fixed if CCP redesign the sov system as well, so you really can't realistically shove 4k people into a single system and expect the rest of your space to Not Be On Fire (tm). Whether CCP is going to do this, or even if they CAN do this, now that's a different matter, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Them going for this kind of dramatic change gives me hope they're ready to consider other dramatic changes which'll make EVE a worthwhile game to play again, as opposed to what it's been the last year or so (or more, really).

With capitals

(read the devblog)

I think they are referring to the changes which would allow capitals to use gates.

Cyno jammed system would be no issue, you just jump through both sub-capitals and capitals via your chosen gate to a next door system.

No, capitals can still get in, they just can't cyno in (or back out in a panic if they suddenly decide (ackbar)IT'S A TRAP(/ackbar).

Well, considering the fact that we're hopefully going towards a sov system where multiple daily fights are in order, not one huge fight every week like we're seeing now, this scenario's not going to be that big of a problem. If you've got enough force, go through, if not, go back to harassing them some more or see if you can't get down that jammer so you can set things up more to your liking.

Well if someone is attacking a cap defended system with caps of their own, they might have subcap support and even scouts on the other side....... Gezuz man.

because Eve didnt exist before jump freighters and rorquals right?

talk about entitlement issues...

Let me guess, you're one of those who actually either want 4k fights, or you want to be able to hotdrop everyone from across the map whenever there's a chance of getting anything even remotely juicy. Right?

Go and attack Deklein before this change and tell me how it goes :)

because eve didnt exist before carriers and dreads?

How about before you try to look smart you stop and realize that some of us are still around from the days where there were no bigger ships than tier 2 battleships in game...

0.0 worked just fine, in fact people were still able to live out there without their precious force projection jump ships...

This will change nothing for the renter empires and the blue donut!

Actually... It decreases idle time for capitals, NOW you can take your ship out to rat without having to worry about getting dropped by 200 people. So cap pilots can now do more than just sit at a pos waiting for a fleet.

As far as engagements it's good to see that over all, not everyone will be there. Decrease in power projection and liquidation of coalitions.

Basically, CCP got tired of the coalition's bullcrap.

Excatly... Caps were not meant to be blobed, but what did CFC, PL, BL, and the rest of the big alliances do? Exactly what caps were not meant to do. They did this to themselves, they took advantage of an exploit and abused sov space with it. Now CCP is doing something about this game breaking mechanic and unfortunately it will greatly limit the ability of jumping around a lot. But I'm sure this will be revisited and balanced out. But a door stop had to be placed on the power projection abuse taking place in TQ atm. Enough is enough.

And where will that lead to?

Empires will shrink because you can't defend systems far away as easy as of now. Homesystems will be more strengthened.
It's more difficult to wipe out someone else completely but it leaves more space for new and smaller groups with their concentrated local force.

Mission accomplished

Regarding those alpha fleets...you will loose them to the local capital fleets.
Who wants to travel every evening a lot of jumps in a fat and slow bs? Your logistics won't be able to bring unlimited replacements to every point on the map within minutes

When a game mechanic is abused, it can very well be considered an exploit. So there you have it.

It's not about the metas, it's about sov space and the inability of smaller unaffiliated groups taking sov for themselves without having the lackeys pushing them back with Nk (n being a variable) man fleets and hundreds of caps at their disposal. Now moving your entire fleet to one side of the galaxy WILL have it's effects, more than likely undefended systems. Who can take advantage of that? Anyone with the ability to gather a few tens of people to bash towers for hours before the defense shows up. So big alliances will lose out on this. HARD, and that's good. Don't like it? Too f'in bad, **** just hit the fan and you're on the receiving end.

Will they? How many of the renters are going to stay under the alliance controls? Logistics to the Drone Regions for instance is going to become a pain in the butt and costs/time for hauling might mean many renter corps pull out.

How much isk per month will the alliances lose from this I wonder?

Markets are so bad in null its almost impossible to even sell ore, however I guess this could well pick up if it means limited hauling to Jita eh?

Still, you could always just build everything in null and seed the markets and make a killing....oh, apart from the moon goon being in the wrong place and the distinct lack of mexallon......

Cap ships through gates?? que EVERY gate being bubbled permanently.

Damn I love this game :)

Honestly, I just can't wait for them to be released, the main null sov holders to not change at all, and in fact defend themselves easier and fight each other less, then the screams of "IT DIDN'T WORK CCP" coming from all the idiots that think this is going to change null. It's going to be amazing.

It's ridiculous how dumb most of you are.

"What if supers roam?" THE ****???

"Skill points I'm crying over about!!!" Stuff happens, move and adapt.

"PL this BL that CFC turdcake!" Good! Dissolve the coalitions.

POWER PROJECTION YOU FOOLS! It's to control power projection. No-one cares about your tears, about your complaints. null is a dead fish fight for 10 systems a year. Boring, uneventful... Lack of power projection means smaller sov space. THINK FOR ONCE and stop complaining. GIVE INPUT and complain less. And if you do give input, THINK about it before posting. This cry thread is getting old quick with different people crying over the same issue. We know, you're all concerned about the micro scale of things and are completely blind to the macro effects because of your tears.

Here's a tissue, there's the corner, you got 5 to man up and mature.

Also, it only takes two brain cells rubbing together to realize black frog's services just became significantly more valuable to the average player.

- massive nerf to capital ship power projection
- nerf to structure HP
- occupancy based sov

Everyone except the dumbest ones see that these will certainly change nullsec.

Steve Jobs once said "It's not the customer's job to know what they want". It's applicable here. Eve is a sandbox folks. The game play is emergent. When CCP makes a change like this, they can't predict with great accuracy what will happen. They might have a theory about what players will do, but they have no facts. No matter how smart you think you are, you have no facts either. Your theory may differ from theirs.

One thing is certain in a game like this. Stasis is bad. The current mechanics + player culture = two coalitions controlling a map that, for most 0.0 dwellers, is a sea of blue as far as the eye can see. In other words, the current mechanics have played themselves out, and this is the result. So, they theory-crafted some changes that they believe will shake things up. Maybe they will, and maybe they won't. It'll have to play out, and what happens will be the results of thousands of individual decisions that players make about how to adapt.

Nobody knows for sure what will happen. That's a hell of a lot better, when you're playing a game, than knowing for sure what will happen. Interesting times ahead.

No you dont get it, the world is ending!!!!

These changes will simultaneously do nothing and ruin errything!!!!1

What smaller entities are you talking about, exactly?

You seem to know more about how we're taking this change than I do, so I guess I'll have to defer to your superior insider information, and continue preparing for how to adapt.

This is the most amazing change of all time, including Incarna.

I love it.

Well Steve Jobs was a moron, so I'd take anything he said with a pinch of salt.

Well then they need to hire better staff, since players have predicted the response to almost every change that's ever been made with staggering accuracy.

The straws

They are being grasped

But it won't. That's the problem. Revenue should come from new subscriptions, sales of PLEX, etc. It shouldn't come from extortion. Forcing capital pilots to have 28-30 alts will not net them new revenue, because for every new cyno/capital jumper account they get, they will lose an existing player probably. If you think some of the old players won't quit over this, think again.

How many new accounts did they get after B-R battle? How many of those stayed active and are patient enough to wait to get into titan. Do you think these people started playing EVE because they think it's the best MMO out there? They want to be part of the fights like that one. Here comes CCP Nullsec Team to crush their dreams.

My Business Hat tells me that I should keep my existing customers first before I try to get new ones, and extorting more money from my existing customers is not a good customer relationship.

And in case you haven't noticed on your login screen, the numbers of players has been down, by quite a bit.

CCP is going to do what they think is in the best interest of the game overall, not for some self serving null carebear.

Get over it.

Hmmm, the thread slowed down. Seems the CFC whine train ran out of steam, perhaps they just ran out of tears to shed.

From Chribba:

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/376666-1

You are so sweet

If the goonies etc adapt well, then good for them.

It does not mean that they are happy with the proposed changes - why else the constant refrain of: I'm going to quit with my zillions of accounts in this thread?

It seems this thread has slowed down by quite a bit. No matters, I suppose, since it's already the largest thread ever created within EVE.

Granted, I don't think it's the most amount of posts on a specific topic. I'm pretty sure the umpteen-million "nerf cloaking" threads take that by a rather large margin.